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      CommentAuthorDanieru
    • CommentTimeMar 17th 2006
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    "What Jesus Meant," should affront most of his fellow Christians—right from the foreword, which argues that Christ was not one of them. The megachurch set won't care to hear that "Jesus did not come to replace the Temple with other buildings, whether huts or rich cathedrals." The Christian left, committed to good works, won't care to hear that Jesus "does not work miracles from humanitarian motives." The Christian right, cozy with secular power, won't care to hear that "if they want the state to be politically Christian, they are not following Jesus." Pope Benedict XVI really won't care to hear that he, "like his predecessors, is returning to the religion that Jesus renounced, with all its paraphernalia of priesthood." - more here...
    • CommentAuthorwhat?
    • CommentTimeMar 19th 2006
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    google the 'sermon on the mount' , it's fun to read fundamentalists arguing that this should be read as metaphor
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      CommentAuthorDanieru
    • CommentTimeMar 19th 2006
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    I was hoping for some juicy stuff
    Sermon of the Mount
    ...but all I got was this lousy religion.
    • CommentAuthorwhat?
    • CommentTimeMar 20th 2006
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    http://www.letusreason.org/current2.htm forgive me, i'm a troglodite, this crap is worth a skim to hear a fundamentalist argue that the words of their boss should be interpreted metaphorically when they dont agree with the bullshit dogma
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      CommentAuthoridoru345
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2006 edited
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    Adam Kotsko writes:


    Around the turn of the century, many biblical scholars, led by Johannes Weiss, claimed that the historical Jesus expected the parousia to come in a very short time. Since that did not occur, Jesus was mistaken in his expectation, and theology must come to terms with that.

    While such a theory has much to recommend it, it neglects a simple fact: after his resurrection, Jesus was fully capable of bringing about the parousia at his leisure. His mistake was not so much in the timing of the parousia as in his ignorance of basic physical laws. Simply put, at the time of his ascension, Jesus did not realize what is now taken for granted: namely, that above the earth’s atmosphere, one does not find “heaven” as traditionally conceived, but rather the vast expanses of outer space.

    Nor, we might suppose, was Christ fully acquainted with the workings of the resurrection body. While he showed himself to be quite adept at the various tricks the resurrection body could perform within the created world (changing his appearance, walking through walls, etc.), he was apparently ignorant of the way to enter the heavenly realm. Typically stubborn man that he was, he refused to ask the angels for directions. Determined that he knew how to get there — after all, he had been there before and in fact used to live there — Jesus ascended vertically, expecting to find “heaven” above the “firmament” of the sky.

    From this crucial miscalculation follows the most horrible tragedy in the history of the cosmos.

    [...]

    more here:

    http://www.adamkotsko.com/weblog/2006/03/reason-jesus-hasnt-come-back-yet.html
    • CommentAuthorwhat?
    • CommentTimeMar 22nd 2006
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    Lacan?, existentialism?, a giant octopus from my childhood? Why does this infinite and amusing world appear now, just as I decide to give up thinking. Now i'm feeling a little contentious, imagining more and more horrible tragedies than having Jesus lost in space.
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      CommentAuthorDanieru
    • CommentTimeMar 23rd 2006
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    How old are you Mr. What? if you don't mind me asking? You sound like a rich and complex soul perched on the edge of a precepice of spiritual enquiry.

    [My, how I love to make up extended and ridiculous visual metaphors.]

    If Jesus is anywhere it's at the bottom of the ocean, where better than to command the plankton - the largest single spiritual bank on this planet. Jesus the Plankton King has a nice ring to it...
    • CommentAuthorwhat?
    • CommentTimeMar 23rd 2006
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    I like the 'Mr What?', sounds like a blue collar 'Dr Who'. As for being perched on the precipice, would that I were, I live in the Abyss, well most of the time. I am a happily egregious bastard and a mere pup at the age of 51, I sit on my arse being entertianed by the antics of the mad monkey people that think they own reality..as the I Ching says, this is the age of the ascendency of the weak. I think the Japanese call it Zazen. After more than 35 years of studying all the monkeys attempts at understanding the world I think Lao Tzu said it best in the first lines of the Tao Te Ching....as soon as you talk about IT, you've lost it. Of course that will never shut us up. So roll on Chaos, full speed into the future and the consequences be damned!
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      CommentAuthorDanieru
    • CommentTimeMar 23rd 2006
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    Don't we all live in the Abyss? I mean, yes the true nature of reality will always be hidden in the abyss, but to explore the verges of that deepest cavern of shadows is to give life purpose.

    What did/do you study (apart from mankind of course) in your lifetime?

    Chaos beware... Mr. What? travels your hyper-coridoors in his Tardis of Tao!
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